Welcome to Ghost of a Podcast. I'm your host, Jessica Lanyadoo. I'm an astrologer, psychic medium, and animal communicator, and I'm going to give you your weekly horoscope and no-bullshit mystical advice for living your very best life.

Jessica:            Starstruck, welcome to the podcast.

Starstruck:       Hi.

Jessica:            What would you like a reading about?

Starstruck:       I will read my question. "Hi, Jessica. How do you figure out what is happening when you have multiple long-term transits at once? I currently have nine happening, and I'm finding it hard to parse. Which do I focus on? How can I tell which events belong to which? How do I get the lesson? And what if they contradict each other? I really enjoy astrology's structure for understanding life events and feel unable to use it for this period."

Jessica:            I love this question. It is very relatable for anyone who's at the level that you're at where you can actually clock your transits, right? You know what's happening. And you were born September 5, 1982, New York, New York, at 3:24 p.m. It's what's up.

Starstruck:       Correct.

Jessica:            Okay. First of all, what are these nine transits?

Starstruck:       Okay. I have a Jupiter square to my Sun, Neptune trine Uranus. I have Neptune square my Ascendant, Saturn trine Mars, Uranus square to Venus, South Node conjunct Mercury, Pluto sextile Uranus, and then some Chiron things.

Jessica:            Okay. So these are not wrong. I was just trying to understand. There's one thing that I'll say. I do not look at transits from transiting nodes, certainly not the South Node. I think that there are kinds of astrology where that is done. As a humanistic astrologer, that's not a thing that I do.

Starstruck:       Oh. That's interesting.

Jessica:            Yeah. They're not planets, right? And so I think⁠—and because I know you're on my Patreon, I know you've probably heard me talk about this before. But my big gristle with North Node stuff is that I think people talk about the Nodes like they're planets and use them like they're planets. So, when we're talking about transit astrology, it's not a place for the Nodes, according to me, which is⁠—I am not the authority on all the things, and there's lots of ways of using astrology. But personally, me, I have never, ever done this⁠—used a transiting Node situation.

Starstruck:       Well, I am very happy to cross some things off my list. So that works for me.

Jessica:            Okay. Great. Yeah. And also, it is generally a convention to focus on the North Node. So, if I was to clock transits from the transiting Nodes, I would be clocking the North Node, personally, more than the South. But again, I'm not an authority on this because, as a humanistic astrologer, that's not the thing I do. But maybe other humanistic astrologers do it, and I just don't know. But anyways, let's take that one off the list because I cannot speak to that one.

                        So the question that you're asking is, how do you clock all the transits and make use of them experientially without getting totally mentally overwhelmed? Am I hearing that right?

Starstruck:       Yeah. And I know that some of the transits that I'm seeing are⁠—at least the Neptune ones are like, "You're lost and uncertain." And I'm like, "Yeah. That feels right."

Jessica:            Yeah. Yeah. Well, and also, the Jupiter transits⁠—they last weeks, right? So they could last over the course of close to a year, but it would be like a week here and a week there. It's not like, for instance, the Neptune⁠—so you're going through a Neptune square to your Ascendant at 29 degrees and 41 minutes of Sagittarius. And that is about a two-year-long transit. There's no⁠—I mean, I was going to say there's no way to confuse it, but that's literally what it does. True story. But we'll come back to Neptune in a minute. But with something like the Jupiter transits⁠—I think you mentioned some lovely trines happening, like Pluto trine to Uranus, that kind of stuff⁠—these are such supportive transits.

So there's a number of things I want to say, but okay. The first thing is there is a reason why psychologists don't give themselves therapy. It's because you have no objectivity when you are the subject. So, while it's not a one-for-one comparison, I can, as an astrologer, look at my transits and be like, "Oh, yeah, I understand what's happening. I have context. I have use for it." It is an unreasonable goal to be able to make sense of the complexity of what you're going through, as you're going through it, through astrology.

Starstruck:       Yeah. That's a really good point.

Jessica:            It is⁠—I mean, I don't want to brag, but it's a really good point. What really works is when the transit is over and you look back, or you're like, "Shit. My 20s were really rough between 23 and 27. What was going on?" And then you look back, and you're like, "All these transits." And then you can make sense of it, even if it's eight transits, because you're objective about your past in a way that you can't be in your present, or certainly when waxing poetic about the future.

                        And so the first thing I want to say is there's a reason why people hire astrologers. There's a reason for it, and it's not to discourage you from tracking your transits and making use of astrology in that way. But it is for contextualizing there's going to be a limit to how much you can do because astrology is inherently really heady. You and I are sitting here on this Zoom. We're staring at a chart. It's a wheel. It has all these symbols and all this math and all these things you had to have already known foundationally in order to make sense of all these other things. Right? There's layers and layers and layers.

                        And what I think it's just important to keep in mind is that while you're analyzing this myriad of details, even if you are an expert, even if you are really at an advanced level and you've got lots of experience with astrology⁠—which most people aren't and don't, but⁠—

Starstruck:       Definitely not.

Jessica:            Okay. But even if you did⁠—right? Even if you did, it's not realistic to be able to hold all of that data at once equally and to make sense of it as you're under the influence of the energies themselves. So I want to just kind of take a deep breath with you around that because I think part of what you're experiencing, which I think everybody experiences when they start getting excited about astrology and using it, is it's like a combo platter of total overwhelm and mental overstimulation, and at the same time, you're getting real help from real pieces of astrology. So it's like they're both happening at once. Does that feel right?

Starstruck:       That feels right. And when there are, like, two or three transits going on, it's really helpful to be able to be like, "Okay. This is the⁠—sort of what I should be getting out of this."

Jessica:            Yep.

Starstruck:       Having that perspective is just so helpful. But when I look at this, I'm just like, "Oh, confusion soup." [crosstalk].

Jessica:            Yes. This brings me to my second thing I want to name, which is how to track transits. I'm going to give you and anyone listening some really simple advice. The first thing I'm going to say before I give you any other advice is this advice requires the use of color. Okay? So, because you have a Neptune conjunction to your Ascendant, when you're creating systems, color-coding those systems helps your brain so much. Have you played with color-coding?

Starstruck:       No, because I'm a writer, so I'm always just doing⁠—

Jessica:            Black and white.

Starstruck:       ⁠—[crosstalk] things. Yeah. Yeah.

Jessica:            So, when we're looking at transits, whether you're using a Google doc and you're just changing the font color or using pens or markers or whatever it is that you use, what I want to encourage you to do is always use either green or blue for the easy/supportive transits⁠—we're talking about trines and sextiles. They're always written in blue or green, whatever is better for your brain. And the challenging transits⁠—I like red because I'm a traditionalist. These are traditional colors used in chart drawing, but you can use a different color if you like. I don't recommend it being black. So, if it needs to be similar to black just for your brain to read it without feeling like you're being yelled at by color, just use the darkest red out of the⁠—you know what I'm talking about? The selection of font colors?

Starstruck:       Yeah.

Jessica:            Just use a really, really dark red so it almost looks black.

Starstruck:       Right.

Jessica:            So, straight out the gate, if you had taken notes of these eight transits or six transits or whatever it is, and some of them are green and some of them were red, right away your brain is going to have the clear communication, "Okay. It's not that these are all challenging transits that need the same kind of doing," because most of the transits you have are really supportive. But you're not really holding it that way. You're like, "I'm supposed to do something with this."

                        And so the thing about the sextiles and trines is they're there to support you. So you don't make use of them; you don't make use of them. But you make use of them, and something really happens. You can go to the gym and use the machine, or you go to the gym, and you could use the machine, and then you could let the person who works at the gym who tells people how to use the machines properly show you how to use the machine properly and then maybe get a better workout.

Starstruck:       Yeah.

Jessica:            And that's really what it is with those easy transits.

Starstruck:       Yeah. So, even with trines, it's something you have to kind of tap into?

Jessica:            You don't have to do shit. I want to just really ground you into this. You don't have to do anything. That's the first and most important thing. You have free will. And when we use astrology too prescriptively, then it becomes another chore. It becomes another thing you're failing at. It becomes another thing to do.

Starstruck:       That feels very Virgo Sun to me.

Jessica:            Okay. Yes. Yes. It becomes very Virgo Sun, but also, you have a Saturn/Midheaven conjunction⁠—Saturn/Midheaven/Pluto conjunction. So you can turn anything into a mountain that needs climbing, but your knees are broken and your shoes have been lost, and it's just like a bloody struggle kind of thing. I went dramatic on that, but that felt right in the moment. Did it feel right?

Starstruck:       A little too right.

Jessica:            Okay. Okay. Good. I'm sorry. Good. So, in my little metaphor, assuming the gym is a good place⁠—which it is not for everyone. I hate the gym, and I never go to the gym. Nobody can make me. But sticking with my little metaphor, making it to the gym is a damn miracle. It's wonderful. If you have a trainer help you to make the most of the machine or not, yeah, it makes a difference. But if you use a machine poorly⁠—I mean, yes, technically you can hurt yourself, so there's an off on my metaphor. But let's assume that you can't hurt yourself for my metaphor's sake. You're just not getting the most. That doesn't mean you're not getting benefit. It just means you're not getting the most.

                        And I should say one more thing about this, which is transit astrology is advanced astrology. Again, you've probably heard me say this on Patreon a bunch, but here's the thing. You and me and everybody else⁠—when you start to learn a little bit about astrology, you start with the Sun. You're like, "Horoscopes." And then you're like, "Oh my God. This is delicious." And then you maybe go to the Moon and the Rising, and the next thing you know, you're diving headfirst into transit astrology, which, if I'm being honest, is just not how you learn astrology.

                        So there's a lot of really substantive learning that needs to occur in order to make sense of transit astrology, to be honest. But when I first started learning astrology, I went straight to transits. You did. Everybody does. That makes sense. But now, in the modern world, everything's googleable. So you're just like, "Oh my God. What does a transit mean? I'll just fucking google it." Right?

Starstruck:       I know. I do it, even though you say not to do it.

Jessica:            Oh, of course. I mean, I give advice knowing everyone is rolling their eyes and doing their fucking thing. You know what I mean? I'm like, "Don't google the transits. Don't look up your crush's chart." Everybody's doing it.

Starstruck:       Well, but with a different⁠—I know that it's not going to be accurate all the time because I do listen to you.

Jessica:            It is not going to be accurate all the time, but more than that, what it is is it's that astrology which means so much to you and you do take really seriously⁠—when you just google trying to get the answers, what happens is you're taking something that you're putting a lot of weight in that you do take seriously, but you're treating it like a slot machine. You're just like, "Hit me again. Just hit me again." You're trying to win. You're trying to make sense. You're trying to get healing. You're trying to read that one post that's going to click it, and then you're going to feel better.

                        That's how you're using astrology. That's how most people use astrology. I would say that's how everyone uses astrology at least for a little while. And I think a huge amount of people use astrology like that exclusively. That's the only thing they do with astrology. And as somebody who's in love with astrology and dedicated my life to astrology, and also as somebody who's a counselor and sees the harm that that conduct causes⁠—not 100 percent of the time, but like 70 percent of the time⁠—I'm always going to try to pull you back from that behavior.

                        That said, you're going to do what you're going to do, and I respect you. Okay. Now, pulling back again, it makes sense that you can't make sense of it because nobody can make sense of it when they're in it. It makes sense that you can't make sense of it because you have been studying astrology for two years, and you're at this place where you can hold all this complex data at once, right? Okay.

Starstruck:       Yeah.

Jessica:            So we're going to just let those two things be there, and hopefully you will remind yourself the next time you're like, "Why don't I get it? Why can't I make sense of it?"⁠— to be like, "Oh. I'm just trying to make sense of too many details, too many data points, all at once." So then you pull back and you say, "Do I want to focus on the green or on the red?" And then you only focus on one column of transits. Hopefully you've written out your transits, all your challenging ones. So it could be your squares or your oppositions. Then you could do all of your easy ones, your sextiles, and your trines.

                        And then you can assign a whole third color to your conjunctions because some conjunctions are really supportive and dynamic and "easy," quote unquote. They facilitate. And sometimes they're really challenging and hard. They're in that middle zone. So I don't know what the middle color is, but you pick another color is the point. You pick a color. So, at a glance, you can see how much support you have and how much challenging stuff you've got going on.

Starstruck:       That makes a lot of sense, and I think it would be so much easier, actually, if there were colors involved.

Jessica:            There is so much easier. And I'll say again I started studying astrology formally in the early 1990s. Computers existed, but they were not used. I did not have access to a computer. And so I just used one of those pens with the four colors. It had black, green, red, and blue. And so this is how I came up with my genius concept of color-coding because, for me, I still like using pen and paper⁠—or you use a computer. It doesn't matter. You can always use color to let your brain not have to sort through the details while it's sorting through a lot of data. So I'm just going to make that like a general go-to for you.

                        So let's take a moment. I'm going to have us figure out what are your easy transits and what are your challenging transits. I know we've got a Neptune square to the Ascendant. That's a challenging one.

Starstruck:       Mm-hmm.

Jessica:            What are the other challenging transits you've got going on?

Starstruck:       Challenging just in terms of it's a square⁠—

Jessica:            Square or opposition.

Starstruck:       ⁠—or an opposition. Okay.

Jessica:            You're not trying to figure anything out. You are not making value judgments. Right? It's just about square or opposition⁠—

Starstruck:       Okay.

Jessica:            ⁠—because the truth is some squares are really lovely. You know that, right?

Starstruck:       Yeah.

Jessica:            Give me a Jupiter/Venus square any fucking day. But it would still go in the square line.

Starstruck:       Okay. That makes sense.

Jessica:            Okay? Okay.

Starstruck:       So then I have a Uranus square to Venus.

Jessica:            Correct. What else you got?

Starstruck:       I mean, this one is shorter, but I have the Jupiter square to my Sun.

Jessica:            Jupiter square to your Sun. Great. Okay. We're going to include those. That's three challenging transits.

Starstruck:       Yeah.

Jessica:            Give me the easy ones.

Starstruck:       The easy ones are Neptune trine Uranus, Saturn trine Mars, and a Pluto sextile to Uranus.

Jessica:            Beautiful. So, straight out the gate, we are looking at three squares and two trines and a sextile, so three easy/three more challenging transits, correct?

Starstruck:       Correct.

Jessica:            Okay. Great. So, moving forward, you've got your little list. And what you'll be able to do when you're thinking, "I need to support myself. I need to resource myself. What transits do I have going on right now?"⁠—and then you're going to look at that list.

Starstruck:       Okay.

Jessica:            Okay? You can do the same thing with your birth chart. When you're like, "Rahh," with yourself, you can look at trines and sextiles in the birth chart to be like, "These are my resources. These are my gifts. How can I access them? How can I tap in?" Not⁠—

Starstruck:       That's so crazy because I never look at it just like that, like out of nowhere.

Jessica:            Right.

Starstruck:       Just like, "How can I support myself?" But I love that. Yeah.

Jessica:            It's a different way of holding, "What's wrong with me? Why am I having such a hard time?"

Starstruck:       Yeah.

Jessica:            And that Saturn/Midheaven/Pluto conjunction at the top of your chart⁠—you can be really hard on yourself. And then the Neptune conjunction to the Ascendant⁠—you can disassociate when things feel hard. And so I'm not surprised that you either go kind of hard on yourself or you check out instead of being like, "Oh, I have this magical resource, a chart, with magical symbols. And I can tap in and look at what I have access to in my nature."

Starstruck:       Yeah. That is great.

Jessica:            So one of the things that I often think about with my own chart is I have a Mars/Jupiter square. Mars/Jupiter square is great for athletes. It's a kind of natal aspect that you see for people who are great runners. Now, I have run in my life, like to the bus and such. In grade school, they made me run around the school. I cannot tell you the intensity with which I hate running. I do not like running at all. I am not an athletic person. I am not a sports person. I do not love exercise at all.

                        And so just because that is one of the interpretations of how this natal aspect can play out doesn't mean I have to. It doesn't mean I should. And I want to really hammer that one home for you because the Mars/Jupiter square is lots of positive things, lots of challenging things. It's a square. But one of the great things about it is athleticism. It's good for muscle tone.

                        And so I share this with you because you are going to read things or hear things if you YouTube, podcast—you're going to take in data. And even if it's accurate, that doesn't mean you have to do anything with it/you have to resonate with it, because I may have that aspect in my chart, but I have a lot of planets in Capricorn in the twelfth house. So I would rather my athletics be spiritual and psychological and emotional. My athletics are not in the body, for better or worse. And trust me; there's worse. There's better. Whatever, right?

                        But it's important to know that even if it's technically accurate, that doesn't mean it's going to resonate because there's a lot of ways to hold the energy of, in this example I'm using, Mars square Jupiter. So you know you're a Virgo. But I'll say you don't have any hard aspects to your Sun.

Starstruck:       That's interesting.

Jessica:            It is interesting because I'm guessing that you attribute a lot of your Saturn/Pluto conjunction to being a Virgo.

Starstruck:       Yeah. I've never heard that interpretation of it before. And so I would. I would just be like, "Oh, it's me being a Virgo." Yeah.

Jessica:            Yep. It's not. Your Sun in Virgo has lovely aspects. You've got a sextile from Jupiter in your birth chart. It is forming a⁠—also⁠—yeah, also a sextile to your North Node, which is, again, a lovely transit. There's nothing hard with your Sun. It's deep. It's in the eighth house. It's a Virgo Sun, so it's Virgo. And this is why I'm always on people to be like, "You gotta learn your birth chart before you go into transits," because you're attributing all this weight to your central energies, your very sense of self. But it's not your Sun. Your Sun is lovely. You're smart. You're weird. You're introverted. You go really deep with shit. You geek out on details. There's lots of great things about your Sun.

                        But what your Sun isn't is the part of you that says, "Life is labor. Labor is supposed to be hard. There's a right way and a wrong way. And when I do it wrong, I fail. And when I do it right, I'm really okay."

Starstruck:       Yeah. That's definitely something I struggle with for sure.

Jessica:            That's a Saturn/Pluto conjunction in the birth chart. And so you were born⁠—I don't know if you identify as Gen X or xennial. I'm guessing you⁠—a lot of people at your year are xennial-identified.

Starstruck:       Yeah. Xennial.

Jessica:            Yeah. So this Pluto/Saturn conjunction, which is l really like⁠—you guys had that at this little moment of this xennial generation. It is a really challenging aspect. It's a really challenging aspect, and it's associated with what can feel like a hypervigilance and cruelty to the self that is reflected by the cruelty and the loneliness of the world. None of that has to do with being a Virgo. You could have that with any Sun sign.

Starstruck:       And then having that on my Midheaven...

Jessica:            It leads into your worldview. The Midheaven is⁠—it's your reputation. It's what you're known for. But it's also how you perceive the outside world, the most outside world. It is a dangerous place. I'm guessing you do not love to put yourself out there. I'm guessing you have a private social media account, and it doesn't have your face on it. [foreign language]? Did I win the prize?

Starstruck:       Yeah. I have my face, but it's covered.

Jessica:            Yeah. Okay. Okay. It has your face, but no one can see it.

Starstruck:       Yeah.

Jessica:            Yeah. You're welcome. And this is not because of the Saturn/Pluto conjunction; it's because the Midheaven is in the middle there. It's that public piece. Again, none of this is because you're a Virgo, none of it. There's no Sun sign that would change this. And this is where I want you to know there's a reason why we're talking about this other than it's interesting and hopefully helpful to you, but also because it is within your nature to want to figure things out. Not only are you a Virgo, but you've got your Mercury opposite to the Moon. And Mercury opposite the Moon⁠—you process emotions through your mind, and you process your ideas through your feelings. They're interconnected for you. It just can't be helped.

Starstruck:       I feel like with the midlife transits that I'm getting, I'm actually learning to try to do something a little bit different and get in the body more.

Jessica:            That is a noble challenge. It is a very wise move. And also, your sixth-house cusp is Gemini. Getting in your body is no easy feat for you. You are like, "Why the body when there's the mind?"

Starstruck:       Yeah.

Jessica:            And again, that's not because you're a Virgo. Your Virgo Sun is an earth sign. So Virgo governs health and hygiene. It governs the body. So it's a heady sign. But that's not the reason why you're never in your body. You've got, again, Mercury opposite Moon and Mercury in an air sign, Moon in fire. You've got the Neptune conjunction to the Ascendant in Sagittarius⁠—very hard aspect to be in the body. All this Saturn/Pluto/Midheaven stuff in an air sign⁠—it makes it like, "Okay. I know how to keep myself safe. I'll analyze from a distance."

Starstruck:       Yeah.

Jessica:            And so all of these things are what makes it so hard for you to be in your body, not the Virgo Sun. I don't know who is popularizing the idea of shitting on Virgos, but there's a real online "Virgo energies are malefic energies," or something like that. I couldn't disagree more. I just think it's ridiculous. So I want to disavow you of that if you've taken any of that in.

                        But also, I want to say practicing getting into your body requires that you give yourself permission to simplify ideas and take on one bite-sized piece at a time. That's the move for you, right? And so understanding all your transits⁠—obvi, no. If you asked me what all my transits were right now⁠—you know what I do? Every year, at the 1st of the year⁠—because my birthday's near the 1st, so it comes together for me⁠—I get out paper and pen. I use different colors. And I write out every single transit that I'm going to be going through in the calendar year, the exact dates of it, and then I will rewrite it, often, because it gets really messy. And then I'll highlight the things I need to be aware of, and I'll try to organize my thoughts around my time.

                        So I know I've got a bunch of Jupiter transits happening for a total of four weeks throughout a two-month period? Okay. I'm going to put myself out there. I'm going to take chances. I'm going to try something. If I get invited to a party and my first instinct is, "Thank you. No"⁠—because that's always my first instinct⁠—I'm going to say, "Okay. Yes, I'll go," because it's Jupiter transit.

                        If I'm going through challenging transits, I'm going to go in with the expectation that I have this work to do in this general field. And then you know what I do, my dear? I forget. That's why I wrote it down, so I could forget.

Starstruck:       Revolutionary.

Jessica:            You're welcome. You're welcome. So this is a beautiful thing about writing things down. When you write things down and you tell your parts, "Hey, parts of self, the parts that are on survival mode all the time, the parts that are wanting to track things"⁠—all the parts, all the parts, all the parts. When you tell your parts, "Hey, I've written it in this place. I know exactly where it is"⁠—for me, it's always the same place every year, so I always know where it is. And whenever I need this information, I'm going to go to get that piece of paper or my dry erase board; I do both. And I'm going to have access to that information.

                        And then I forget because forgetting means I can emotionally integrate, and I don't have to be in my head.

Starstruck:       Yeah. And I also love it as a planning tool for being like, "Okay, I know I have this coming up. I'm going to support myself in this way"⁠—

Jessica:            Yes.

Starstruck:       ⁠—or, "This would be a good time to plan a trip," or whatever⁠—those things that are really helpful [crosstalk]⁠—

Jessica:            Yes.

Starstruck:       ⁠—yeah, ruminating about.

Jessica:            Ruminating is not helping. It's not a good use of astrology, and it's a danger with astrology because it's an excellent tool for ruminating. It's an excellent⁠ tool—I'll tell you I have this transit coming up. I went through a Pluto conjunction to Mars. Sounds like a scary transit, right?

Starstruck:       Yeah.

Jessica:            Your face was like, "Hey." And I was scared of that transit for 15 years before it happened. I was so scared of that transit because I saw it coming, and I knew it was going to be terrible. It was spectacular. Nothing bad happened. Only good things happened. And it was because I was like, "Okay. I'm going to really step into my Mars." So what does that mean? I didn't know how to drive. I'm a late-in-life driver. So I learned how to drive. I decided to do all of these things that were specifically and technically new; they were Mars. And they were challenging for me, but I was willing to go deep, and it wasn't bad at all.

                        Now, other transits that I was scared of happening happened, and they were scary. I was right. What I'm saying is you can't know. And any time we⁠—you or me or any other astrologer⁠—uses astrology to get ahead of life experiences, you're using it the wrong way. Knowing is half the battle. You have to live it. You have to live it.

Starstruck:       Yeah. That's true. What if you⁠—like you were saying that you stepped into your Mars in that moment, and you were like, "There are Mars things that I can engage with."

Jessica:            Yep.

Starstruck:       Did you find that when you do that⁠—again, I'm trying to control the situation. I know.

Jessica:            Yes. Yes, you are. That's okay. But ask the question. Yeah.

Starstruck:       But if you consciously engage with it, does that help mitigate some of the damage that it can do, or not really?

Jessica:            That's a good question. You're asking me a good question. And the part of you that needs to know the answer to that is your survival mechanism. You're like, "Things are going to be terrible, so if I do this special thing, will I make them less terrible?" And this is where astrology⁠—and I've done it, too; everybody has done this. It veers into magical thinking. You know what magical thinking is, right?

Starstruck:       Yeah.

Jessica:            "I have to flip the light switch five times so my mom doesn't die." Magical thinking. That's magical thinking. And so what I did know was what Mars was. I knew what Mars was, and I didn't know, like, five key words. I didn't memorize a paragraph. I had seen the functionality of Mars in lots of people because I was a professional astrologer at the time. I had studied it. I had experienced it. I noticed its energies. You know what I mean? I really understood Mars.

                        And I'm not saying that to be like, "Well, everyone has to be like me to get it." Not at all. But what I am saying is it is an unfair and unrealistic expectation that you're holding for yourself that you understand all the planets if you're not actually studying all the planets. That's just to be fair to you. It's not a putdown.

It's just like, again, I think what people do with astrology is they don't mean to be like, "Well, it's not that deep. I'm just going to hop over all the studying part and just get to the part I want." But I also think that's exactly what most people do is, even though you respect it, even though you use it, even though you love it, maybe not treating it with the same respect you might treat⁠—I don't know⁠—a writing degree, which requires a lot less technical memorization and a lot less study because writing is a creative process.

So we go to school for years to get a master's of writing, but we'll just google it for astrology. But then, if you're using astrology to direct your whole life and navigate your mental health⁠—do you see how I'm saying it's like it gets wonky?

Starstruck:       Yeah. Well, it's hard because I do just love being in it so much. I love the symbolism of it and the myths that it's based on and all those things. And there's an aspect of it that's kind of like D&D for girls for me. You know?

Jessica:            Yes. Yes. Yes.

Starstruck:       But then it naturally kind of goes to this place of, like, "Okay. Well, then I have to know, if I want to live in this world, then this is the point of it. So I should"⁠—you know.

Jessica:            So okay. So I don't know enough about D&D to cater to that as much as I'd like, but I would love to, just for the record, I want to say. Let's say you know that in 2025, you're going to go through a Neptune square to your Sun⁠—you're not. I just made that up. Then what you could do is decide to study the Sun for three months⁠—not three minutes, not out of the panic that you feel bad, not out of a survival mechanism, but out of an earnest curiosity. What is the Sun? What does it mean to have a Sun in astrology? What does that actually mean in practice? What do I actually feel? What is the Sun? And if I'm dealing with a transit from Neptune, what is a Neptune?

                        If you really want to use it, then use it is what I would say, if you're going to do a self-guided tour. We don't play D&D alone. There's always the dungeon masters. They're not. We need a guide. That's why I started off by saying therapists don't give themselves therapy.

                        Coming back to, currently, you're going through a Jupiter square to the Sun. It's such a great transit. You know what I mean? I'm forever going to recommend Robert Hand's book Planets in Astrology. Do not google "transit astrology" when you can buy that book is my advice to all the people of the world.

Starstruck:       I do love books.

Jessica:            And it's a great book. It is a great book. His interpretations are reliable. It's like a consistent resource. So that's my recommendation. Now, that said⁠—okay. I'm not going to look at Jupiter square the Sun. First of all, it's a fantastic transit. Second of all, it's a quickie-bickie, and I'm going to let you "joojle" it on your own. Okay?

Starstruck:       Yeah.

Jessica:            Hopefully, look at Robert Hand's book, but whatever. Okay. So, right now, Neptune is squaring your Ascendant. It's going to last for quite some time still, right?

Starstruck:       Yeah.

Jessica:            And Uranus is squaring your Venus at 27 degrees of Leo. These are two transits that bring up really different things. The only thing that I would say is really similar is they both bring up relationship issues. If you are going to obsess on transit astrology and allow yourself to cycle and ruminate and cycle and ruminate, your homework⁠—your redirect⁠—is to actually learn about what Venus is in the birth chart and to learn about what transiting Uranus does because when we talk about transit astrology, what we're talking about is, "Okay. These are my yellow glasses." Right? This is your Venus. Venus is sitting in your birth chart. She's always in your birth chart at the same spot. This is a part of your nature. This is your heritage. This is your ancestry. This is your lived experience. This is part of your nature.

                        And then Uranus comes, and it's poking your Venus because Uranus is pokey. It's the nervous system planet. It's surprising and unexpected things. So now I have⁠—I'm poking a pen at my glasses. It's a hard thing to do because glasses aren't pokable. That's Uranus square Venus. So the function of Uranus sitting in your birth chart is going to be different than the transit of Uranus to a planet. That makes sense to you, right? You already know that part?

Starstruck:       Yeah.

Jessica:            You are going to be intentional about studying the effects of transiting Uranus and intentional about the effects of studying Venus in the birth chart, and in particular your Venus in your birth chart. And that's useful information. That's what you focus on.

Starstruck:       Okay. That is a lot simpler than⁠ what I was doing.

Jessica:            I bet it is. I bet it is. And this is good news, right? So, even though I'm always harping on "You have to study it if you're going to use it. Know the tool before you use the tool," one of the most common things that I see people doing is making things really fucking complicated when they don't need to be. And that's because it all seems so magical and so, "Who knows what's happening?" that you start making rules and chutes and ladders where there doesn't need to be. It's complicated, and it's hard. And also, the rules and the math point you towards what you need to do. You see?

                        And just so you know, the color-coding thing⁠—it's a convention. We're looking at the chart right now, and you're seeing the colors that I named to use are inside the chart. It's supposed to be colored because you should always know red and orange, or the red hues, are challenges. It's like red light, and then there's green light and the blue light. You see what I'm saying? It's like easy/hard. That's why they're drawn in color. So you want to lean into those colors and to know that there's a system even to the colors that are used in the birth chart.

There's a system that exists, and you're not getting the full benefit of it if you're not studying astrology, which⁠—again, I am not trying to make you or anyone else study astrology. It is boring and slow and challenging to study anything this complicated. But also, when you find yourself ruminating about something that you know you haven't studied and you don't have a full grasp on, it is fair to say to yourself, "Oh. I've hit a wall in what I understand. I need help," or, "I should stop using this specific tool to help me solve this specific problem."

Starstruck:       And sometimes it's like I don't really have a question, but I'm just looking at the thing and trying to make my question from the thing instead of the other way around.

Jessica:            Yeah. And that's an error. Have you taken my Tarot classes on Patreon?

Starstruck:       Yeah.

Jessica:            And again, now it's like I'm inundating you with more information. But something that exists on my Patreon in some of those videos is me explaining how to ask the cards questions. And that's the only thing I would tell you to watch: how to ask a question of an oracle.

Starstruck:       I know that that should be really, really easy, Jessica. But I feel like in general, sometimes even when I listen to your podcast, I'm jealous of the guest for having one question because I feel like my question would be, "What is my question?"

Jessica:            Okay. So, first of all, not everybody has a question. Second of all, my podcast is edited. So, if you think that I do readings for people and they don't, most of the time, say, "Can I ask you one more question about my love life? What about my job? Can I talk to my mom? I haven't talked to her in 20 years"⁠—nobody has just one question or has clarity around the question. And I have said this countless times in interviews, probably not in things that you've heard, but I would say a huge part of my job is helping people refine the question.

                        You are not alone. Identifying and refining the question is 80 percent of the work because if you're really clear about what the question is, the answer isn't very far from you. It's when we're like, "It could be this. It could be that. It could be that. It could be this. It could be this. It could be that"⁠—when you just look at a birth chart being like, "Okay. Give me something," you will always emerge with something that stresses you out. And let me tell you why.

You will always emerge with something that stresses you out because that's like picking a zit. It's like what you're doing is you're in a state of anxiety, and you're like, "Reveal something to me so I no longer have anxiety." So you're asking the question motivated by anxiety. The question is kind of scattered and needy. It's a little chaotic. It's very nervous systemy. And then you look at the chart, and then what? What are you looking for? You're looking for something to make sense to that nervous system dysregulation, basically.

Starstruck:       Yeah.

Jessica:            And it always feels bad. It just always feels bad.

Starstruck:       So that's not a me thing; that's just a people thing [crosstalk].

Jessica:            That's unfortunately a human person thing. And I think some astrologers do that, and I think most astrology students do that. And in particular, I mean astrology students who aren't formally studying, because the reason why you're into astrology is because it helps you. Right? That's the whole reason why you're into it. You're like, "This is a tool that works," or maybe, "This is an inspiring thing that helps me."

Starstruck:       Yeah. It helps me kind of parse things out, which I feel like I'm sort of generally bad at. So, when I come look at the components of something and kind of see what⁠—

Jessica:            Let me reframe that for you.

Starstruck:       Okay.

Jessica:            It's not that you're bad at parsing things out. It's that you try to parse out everything all at once.

Starstruck:       Oh. Yeah. That is it.

Jessica:            And what astrology does is it says, "This is that part of you. That's this part of you." It gives you bite-sized pieces. Right?

Starstruck:       Yeah.

Jessica:            So this is why it's a good tool for you. Why it's a bad tool for you is the exact same reason. It's a mixed bag because it can obsessively try to synthesize data that you don't fully understand, and when we don't understand the details, we will never do a good job of synthesis. Reading⁠—this is why so many people who fuck with astrology focus on their Sun and their Moon and their Rising, because it's too much fucking information.

                        That's why you've attributed a ton of things in your birth chart to your Sun: because you didn't realize all the other things were like, "Hey. Let me out of here." You know what I mean? "I'm a huge part of you." This is just how people are. It's a complicated tool, and I think we have a tendency to oversimplify how we use it.

                        And all of that said, I want to come back to something that I noticed at the very beginning and I didn't mention. But when we first got on the call, your mind⁠—I could really see it. Now, you've really calmed down through the course of our conversation, right? The reason why you've experienced⁠—and I'm saying this correctly, right? You have calmed⁠—

Starstruck:       Yeah.

Jessica:            Yeah. And the reason why is because we've been naming things honestly⁠—not fixing them, not coming up with a magical solve, just naming them honestly. And what I've experienced in my practice with astrology is that the practice of naming things honestly, without judgment, without a fix, just naming them honestly, has a profound healing effect. And a lot of times, people leave a reading with me feeling deeply helped and deeply changed, and it's not because I've done anything other than name the thing honestly. No judgment, no fix.

                        So I want to share that with you because what was happening at the beginning of our conversation is a place that is very habitual for you. You were thinking⁠—I mean, it was like all these monofilaments of electric energy going in many, many different directions.

Starstruck:       Yeah.

Jessica:            And it is not possible to name all of those monofilaments all at once. It's too much. You know what monofilament is? Like fishing where?

Starstruck:       Okay. Yeah. Like light [indiscernible 00:43:17].

Jessica:            Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of opaque and a nothing color, but it refracts light, so it's kind of confusing. And it's beautiful, and it's thin and durable. You can hang a 200-pound mirror with your monofilament stuff, your fishing wire stuff.

Starstruck:       Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jessica:            You know what I'm talking about?

Starstruck:       Yeah.

Jessica:            It's strong. But it's hard to track your millions of lines of monofilament. And so what we did was we simplified, and we focused, and we named. And your nervous system went from zzzz to a nice, normal-for-you hum.

Starstruck:       Yeah.

Jessica:            And so this is a practice you can return to of being like⁠—when you feel that overstimulation in your nervous system gets all over the place, find three things that you can focus on, just three. So that might be, "Okay. I want to turn to the chart. Have I made a list of all the transits I have going on? Have I"⁠—whatever it is. Find three things you can focus on, and actually give yourself permission to focus on only up to three things.

Starstruck:       Yeah. That⁠—

Jessica:            The permission is an emotional act. The focus is a mental act. The permission is your Moon. The choice to focus on three things is your Mercury. Does that make sense?

Starstruck:       Yeah. And even now, I'm like, "But my Mercury⁠—where is it?" And so just being like⁠—okay.

Jessica:            So okay. And there's nothing wrong with wanting to know where your Mercury is when you're talking to an astrologer, right? But the way the thought rose to the surface was an anxiety spike, correct?

Starstruck:       Yeah.

Jessica:            Okay. So, when the inquiry comes from an anxiety spike, then you know you don't need to answer the question. You need to be curious about what motivated the anxiety spike.

Starstruck:       Yeah. I think it was just having the chart in front of me and being like, "Okay. Wait. There are more details about this Mercury other than the word that she said, and I need to take all those in.

Jessica:            Mm-hmm. And on the one hand, everybody who gets a reading with me has the experience of, "I have this astrologer in front of me. I want to get her to tell me all the fucking things." That is normal and fair. And also, this is a habit that's your habit that's not specific to this situation. When something starts to come to a close or you feel like maybe you're missing something, there's that anxiety spike that occurs. Right? Am I seeing this correctly?

Starstruck:       Yeah.

Jessica:            Okay. So it's your habit. The good thing about habits is they can be broken. The only way to break a habit is to be aware that you're engaging in the habit. So that's your first step, and it's the only step that you're responsible to right now. Over the next, I would say, six months, practice noticing when the anxiety spike happens. And experiment with putting off indulging the anxiety⁠—whatever the anxiety is asking for⁠—or completely focusing on, "Why am I feeling anxious"? or, "How can I just focus on the feeling instead of whatever mental soup is activated?"

Starstruck:       Yeah.

Jessica:            By doing this, I would contend you would change your life dramatically. What I am recommending is exceptionally simple and exceptionally, exceptionally hard, like very hard. Most people have too hard of a time to do this because if you do this, you will feel sad and bad.

Starstruck:       It's also hard to just be like, "Okay. I feel this anxiety spike," and not go into, "Why am I feeling it, and what happened?"

Jessica:            Exactly. So the reason why you're feeling the anxiety is because you feel sad and/or bad. That's the answer. Now, your brain says, "Okay. But it should be"⁠—right? Like, "Give me the details." But what I'm saying is when you're in a moment of nervous system dysregulation⁠—and does that term resonate for you? Do you know what I mean when I say that?

Starstruck:       Yeah. Yeah.

Jessica:            Okay. When you're in a moment of nervous system dysregulation, you will not fix your nervous system dysregulation by analyzing it.

Starstruck:       Yeah. Totally.

Jessica:            So the inquiry might be an important inquiry for you to return to. That's why we have pen and paper. That's why we have Notes app in phone. You can say⁠—write down in bullet-point note form⁠—you can write it down as prose, whatever works better for you⁠—"This is what I'm stressing about." But then you close the phone, or you put away the piece of paper; stick it in your pocket. And then you focus on, "I'm feeling like I need to know. Okay. That's a feeling. Can I breathe into my body? Can I just be with the feeling?"

                        And this is why most people don't do it: because that means you will feel bad, because you do feel bad. And the reason why you're turning to your chart is because you're hoping that the chart will make you stop feeling bad or give you a special clue on how to stop feeling bad or tell you what's wrong. And if the chart does do that, it will not happen because you came to it when you were dysregulated.

                        So practicing noticing your dysregulation, and when you can, as much as you can tolerate, practicing staying with the feelings instead of chasing the thoughts or trying to fix it⁠—that's your homework. And I can tell you astrologically how and why that it came to this, but it doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is that you can live your life with greater agency; feel better so that you have more access to more of your strengths and your gifts.

And this is why I see an astrologer when I need an astrologer, because sometimes I just want to focus on all the transits and all the details and all the things, when what I really need to do is sit the fuck down and just feel what I feel. And sometimes that's the answer. The transit is trying to get you there. But if you have to do a whole lot of studying to figure out how to not be so in your head, we got a problem, right? Because it's hard to use the same tool to fix the thing that's not working. Do you see what I'm saying?

Starstruck:       I do. And my anxiety is such a bottley feeling, and then I feel like it disrupts my thinking so that then I start thinking the million things.

Jessica:            Yes.

Starstruck:       And then it's very hard to come back from that.

Jessica:            Yeah. It is exceptionally hard. And if you come back from it, you are most likely to come back from it by not chasing the thoughts but instead creating the feelings.

Starstruck:       That's so what I'm doing, is chasing the thoughts. I'm like, "Wait. But I want to catch this thing so I can say it."

Jessica:            Yep. Yep. And listen. That is not a bad idea. It's just, when you do it motivated from your survival mechanisms or your nervous system being activated, it doesn't work. So, every once in a while, it scratches an itch, but it never helps you. When I⁠—and I am an expert astrologer⁠—am activated in my nervous system, in my survival mechanisms, I zero percent of the time turn to astrology, because that's not what it's good for. You know?

Starstruck:       Yeah.

Jessica:            I'm a really good astrologer, but I would never do that because astrology is inherently an analytic tool. You must use your mind to make sense of it. And when I'm dysregulated, I know that I can't use my mind from any other place inside of myself except for the dysregulated part.

                        When we're in that state, the best move is to be like, "Oh. Hey, self. I'm feeling all fucking activated, self. Okay. I'm not going to figure out why. I'm not going to try to fix it. I'm just going to check in. Can I breathe? Can I be present? Can I take it from⁠—on a scale from one to ten, from an eight, can I try to bring it down to a seven or a seven and a half? Can I just try to break it down a little bit? Can I just be present with myself?

                        And if the answer is yes, you will find that you feel sad, mad, or bad. That's true for most humans most of the time when we go into nervous system dysregulation. It's because we're avoiding feeling a feeling.

Starstruck:       And it's that body disconnection, too⁠—

Jessica:            Yep.

Starstruck:       ⁠—that it's like⁠—I mean, I do find it helpful when I try to ground into some kind of physical situation at that point. But yeah.

Jessica:            It's just hard. It's really hard. And some of it's hard because it's literal work, and some of it's hard because the nervous systemy stuff is a habit you developed to make you feel safer and better, and it is very hard to break those habits, survival mechanisms.

Starstruck:       So I feel like this is me doing the same exact thing that we're talking about, but⁠—so is that a Uranus thing, or is that a Pluto thing? Because you're saying survival mechanism, so I'm thinking Pluto.

Jessica:            Correct.

Starstruck:       But it's the nervous system⁠—

Jessica:            It's Pluto. It's Pluto. Mm-hmm.

Starstruck:       Okay. That's so interesting because that is not what I would have⁠—

Jessica:            No, it's not. But it is literally at the top of your chart. It is the crowning jewel of your chart, Saturn and Pluto. The reason why it's nervous systemy for you⁠—it's all in air signs. You are a Virgo. You've got this really strong Mercury. So you've got all of these things in your birth chart that say you know how to make yourself safe. It's through thinking it out, figuring it out. That is a survival mechanism from your childhood. You kept yourself safe by knowing what the adults around you were going to do, knowing why they were going to do it. You could think around them. So those monofilaments kept you safe. They kept you safe. You were able to hide out from offensive forces. You were able to navigate your way around people when you needed to.

Jessica:            Yeah.

Jessica:            It's a survival mechanism, and it's a good one. We don't want to throw it out. We don't want to burn it to the ground. Whenever it's survival mechanisms, yeah, look for Pluto. And you learned that your mind was the way out, and it is of a lot of things. But what you're experiencing now in midlife is what everyone experiences in midlife, is that you've over-relied on certain coping mechanisms and underdeveloped others.

                        And this is where people get stuck and miserable in their 40s, 50s, 60s. This is where a lot of people who are older stop evolving and growing because the level of work we need to do on ourselves in midlife is so hard, most of us don't do it. True story.

Starstruck:       Yeah.

Jessica:            I know we're talking about something so small. Sit with feelings. Don't chase the thoughts. But it is⁠—you will do cartwheels. You will do anything and everything to avoid sitting with the feelings and not chasing the thoughts. And it feels like the right thing because your survival mechanism assures you every time it gets activated the only way out is to figure it out. The only way out is to figure it out. The only way out⁠—and then you go, go, go, go. And now you're activated, and you're trying to figure it out.

Starstruck:       Yeah.

Jessica:            Yeah. And it's not working. It's not keeping you safer. It's not the answer you need. You have access to that tool. That tool is sharp. Now you need other tools to use in addition. So, again, I'm not saying don't turn to your chart to figure out what's happening. I'm saying don't turn to your chart when you're emotionally unwell, like not right with yourself. So I'm not saying you have to be in a great mood all the time, but you know the specific dysregulation I'm talking about, right? The thing you do and the reason why you do it with the chart?

Starstruck:       Yeah, and I also feel like⁠—you mentioned earlier when we were talking about the chart that my Neptune Ascendant situation makes me want to disassociate. I know. I know⁠—that going to that mental place of being like, "Oh, I can just figure this out if I just do all the math and write it all down and look at it a lot."

Jessica:            It's a form of disassociation. Yeah. I mean, Sagittarius is one of the communication⁠—it's a mutable, right? It's a communication sign. It's okay to disassociate. It's okay to overanalyze. You don't want to demonize those things. You don't want to be mean to yourself when you slip back into those things, which you will for sure do in 15 minutes. Don't worry about it.

                        It's about slowly and kindly building up a new tool. That's all, because when I saw your question, I could feel the stress in it, like, "I need to figure this out, and there's eight transits. And what do I do?" I have been there. I think everyone who uses astrology at this level has been there or higher. And it's part of why it's not just important to have access to good tools; it's important to use those tools well.

                        I have a friend who went to therapy a couple times but was so fucking annoyed with the therapist because the therapist would never give her any advice. And I was like, "Yeah, but therapists are literally not supposed to give you advice. It is literally their job to listen and not to give advice." And she was like, "That's not what I want from therapy. I want advice." And so she's like, "I'm never going to therapy again." Do you know what I mean?

                        It's not enough to have access to a tool. We have to have an understanding of what that tool is, and we have to be willing to use it responsibly. I've got other friends who straight-up lie to their therapists or don't talk about the shit that's real. I mean, I've not talked about the shit that's real sometimes in therapy. We do that. It's not just using the tool; it's using it wisely. It's using it carefully, with care.

                        So this is where you can return to asking yourself, "Okay. In this moment, am I able to use this tool with care?" If the answer is no, say, "Okay." If you're really nervous system dysregulated, put an alarm on your phone or on your watch or whatever, and just be like⁠—what⁠—48 minutes. "In 48 minutes, can I be more careful when I come back to the tool?" so that you're telling your brain, "Don't worry. I'm coming back to it. I've set an alarm." But then your job is to be in the emotions instead of the thoughts for those 48 minutes.

Starstruck:       I think that that sounds so right and is so helpful, but also, I think that the cost of doing that is presence. And even now, I just feel like almost the whole conversation, I was like, "What do I say? What do I do?" And now I just feel like I'm more present with you because I've calmed down to the point that I can actually have a conversation.

Jessica:            Yeah.

Starstruck:       Yeah.

Jessica:            Yeah.

Starstruck:       It may be the lesson. I don't know.

Jessica:            It's exactly the lesson. I think that's exactly it. And it's your survival mechanisms. Your brain has been saying, "Go in circles. Go in circles. Go in circles. I have to figure it out. I have to figure it out." And it made you less present, so you got less out of it than you are now, when you're just here and you're just letting it be whatever it is. And even as I say that, I could feel your nervous system being like, "Well, what if I'm forgetting something?" It comes and it peaks and it valleys, and that's okay. It's okay. It's about allowing it to without attaching to it, allowing it to without chasing it.

Starstruck:       Yeah.

Jessica:            Easier said than done, but that's the move. That's the move, is to be like, okay. In this moment, you might hear me talking, and there might be a part of you that's really present and a part of you that's really like, "Get to the point. I want to ask you one more question." And it's okay that both are happening at once. You get to choose what you want to center. And sometimes you don't feel like you have a choice. Sometimes your nervous system is the loudest, clangiest thing. It gets all the attention. It sucks up all the air in the room. Okay. Tomorrow, later today, see if you can make a different choice.

                        You can't be too heavy-handed with yourself because that's Saturn/Pluto, that heavy-handedness. It's not a Virgo Sun. It's Saturn/Pluto. So another thing that I hope you're inspired by in this reading is to do more research into the Saturn/Pluto conjunction in the birth chart. Again, I don't encourage you to google it, because I don't feel confident that you're going to get good results.

                        The book that I love for natal aspects is called Planets in Aspect by Karen Hamaker-Zondag. I think you can find this book used pretty easily. I think you can probably find⁠—but I don't know anymore, actually, what you can find used. But these are good books. These are really good books. And if you can't remember it, on my Patreon, I have videos for book recommendations. So you can go in there and just put "book" in the search bar, and it'll come up.

Starstruck:       Okay.

Jessica:            Yeah. Yeah, so you don't have to actually remember what I say.

Starstruck:       I think it would be very good for me to have a physical resource that I can⁠—

Jessica:            I agree. And also, listen. Maybe you'll flip through these books and be like, "It's not for me." Fine. Find a different book, like an astrologer that you're like, "Okay. I vibe with this person. I vibe with their interpretations, and this is a person I can learn from. I can refer back to these interpretations." That's really, really helpful. These two books I referred you to are so good. I really love them, and I think they're really, really reliable.

                        And I think a lot of times, especially online, the outer planet aspects in the birth chart⁠—they don't get handled well. And as you know, they're the centerpiece of my practice. They're very important to me. You may also be interested in Donna Cunningham's book, Healing Pluto Problems.

Starstruck:       I've heard you mention that one before.

Jessica:            Yeah.

Starstruck:       Yeah. Definitely.

Jessica:            Yeah. Well, your Pluto is really strong, and it sits on top of your Midheaven and your Saturn. So she would really, as the kids say, read you for filth. And you would enjoy it. So these are all books for you to get, and get them at your leisure. Read them at your leisure. These are books. They were written in the '70s and the '90s. They're just waiting for you. There's not a rush. They're not going away.

Starstruck:       Yeah.

Jessica:            Yeah. Yeah. I see your nervous system just zinging all over the place. You're making hummingbirds look lazy.

Starstruck:       Get all the books today.

Jessica:            Yeah. Yeah. So, my dear, have we nailed this question?

Starstruck:       I think we have. And I think you saying earlier about just exploring what a Uranus transit in general might be like if you come across it⁠—I love the idea of exploring it versus trying to figure it out.

Jessica:            Yes.

Starstruck:       Yeah.

Jessica:            Yes. Okay. I'm so glad because that's really the important piece is it's a resource for understanding your experience. It's not an end-all, be-all thing that you have to get; otherwise, you'll fail.

Starstruck:       That's a really nice way of holding it that I think will be really helpful.

Jessica:            Good. I'm so glad to hear that.

Starstruck:       And it makes it feel fun.

Jessica:            It is fun. Astrology's the funnest. It's just really hard when you go to it from this perspective of, "Ahh," you know? And again, I've done it. I think everybody who's listening to this probably has done it because it's a human thing to do. We're humans. We're not great. We're not the best. We're not cats.

Starstruck:       Perfect.

Jessica:            Do you have cats? Are you a cat person as well?

Starstruck:       I am a cat person. I don't currently have a cat.

Jessica:            I'm sorry.

Starstruck:       But I feel I identify as a cat person.

Jessica:            I feel like it's a special kind of⁠—a Virgo Sun in the eighth house? Cat person. Yeah.

Starstruck:       Oh yeah? Okay.

Jessica:            Yeah. Well, it's just because a Virgo Sun in the eighth house is so thoughtful and private. You're just like⁠—I could see that kind of a deep relationship with someone you live with but that is nonverbal could really work. But also, I am a cat person, so I think everyone's a cat person, and there's no person that I think shouldn't be a cat person. I'm that kind of cat person.

Starstruck:       I mean, I would agree with that.

Jessica:            Thank you. I appreciate it. All right, my dear. I am so glad we did this. It's really been lovely and, I think, an important conversation to be having.

Starstruck:       Yeah. I think so, too. It didn't shape up the way I thought it was going to, and that's perfect.

Jessica:            Good. I'm so glad.